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November 09, 2006

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Geoff

I wonder what the difference is between a rational imagination process, like hypothesizing, and a more purely imaginative process like dreaming, if there is any. It's fascinating to think of how the four types of learning Jung mentioned can blur together. An example I once saw at a museum involved a block of metal and a challenge to the visitors to determine if it was cold or hot. My senses couldn't figure it out, but my rationality kicked in and I knew that they wouldn't burn me.

Bob

Thanks for commenting, Geoff. I'm sure the various ways of knowing work together, as you suggest. But I don't think I would call rationality an imaginative process. I will get to this in a comment eventually, but each way of knowing has it's own logical system and to apply the logical system of one to another transforms the way of knowing. I like to use my imagination to explore and expand, and my intellect to organize what I have discovered.

Geoff

What I meant by calling hypothesizing a "rational imagination process" was that it is a sort of imaginative visualization, a creative exploration of future possibilities, but in an explicitly rational way. Perhaps that's stretching the the concept of imagination though, since the thought objects all come through the medium of rationality and actual past experience.

Bob Schoenholtz

Geoff, perhaps you are referring to what I would call visualization, as opposed to imagination? When I visualize the structure of something I want to write, I would call that visualization. If I were to invite a guide to arise in my imagination who would tell or show me what to write, I would call that imagination. If I use imagination to find ideas I can then use visualization and/or other rational processes to help organize those ideas, to be coherent or linear, for example. I guess, technically, any activity of the mind producing images could be called imagination. But I tend to think that if you do so within a rational context, rationally directed, you have visualization.

Geoff

Gotcha, thanks. That makes sense.

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